Dos Marcos

Even mattress CEOs break sleep rules—and reveal why most "cooling" beds are just clever marketing. Get the real story from Big Mattress Outlet's CEO!Think the people who run mattress companies always practice what they preach? Think again. In this episode, Mark Kinsley sits down with Kelly Charles, CEO of Big Mattress Outlet, who admits she breaks nearly every sleep hygiene rule—despite knowing the science.Kelly shares how her definition of success has evolved from non-stop hustle to building a business that gives her more time with family. She opens up about the real (and often ignored) challenges of being a woman in the mattress industry, how "cooling" has become a misleading industry buzzword, and why most people—including experts—struggle to follow perfect sleep routines. If you’ve ever felt guilty for late-night screen time or not following every sleep tip, you'll relate to Kelly’s honesty. She discusses practical, realistic approaches to better sleep, like focusing on daytime habits rather than strict b