Beyond Prisons

This is the second part of our two-part conversation with Dr. Dylan Rodríguez. If you haven’t already, listen to part one.  In this episode, Dylan shares a few thoughts about high profile reformers like Van Jones and the dangers of the non-profit industrial complex (NPIC). We also talk about “The Problems with Community Control of the Police and Proposals for Alternatives,” a document that Dylan co-authored with Beth Richie, Mariame Kaba, Rachel Herzing, and others.  We discuss the problem with the notion of “police accountability” and why Dylan believes that it is more accurately described as casualty management. We spend some time talking about the ways that celebrities either help or hinder conversations about policing, and why we should not conflate celebrity with leadership. We close with a discussion about the politics of accessibility.  Episode Resources & Notes Follow Dylan on Twitter: @dylanrodriguez “The Problems with Community Control of the Police and Proposals for Alternatives” by Beth Richi