Carboline Tech Service Podcast

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis discuss coatings under insulation in the petroleum, petrochemical and natural gas industries by exploring the standard ISO 19277. 0:00 – Intro and the crutch 1:48 – The element of surprise 2:03 – Coatings Under Insulation – NACE SP 0198 “Control of Corrosion Under Thermal Insulation and Fireproofing Materials—A Systems Approach” https://store.nace.org/sp0198-2016 2:37 – ISO 19277 – “Petroleum, Petrochemical And Natural Gas Industries - Qualification Testing And Acceptance Criteria For Protective Coating Systems Under Insulation” https://www.iso.org/standard/64240.html 3:10 – Temperature categories of CUI 1-3 4:56 – Cryogenic classes per ISO 19277 5:40 – Immersion and salt spray testing per ISO 19277 6:55 – ISO 4628 “Paints and varnishes — Evaluation of degradation of coatings — Designation of quantity and size of defects, and of intensity of uniform changes in appearance” https://www.iso.org/standard/64877.html 9:37 – Thermal cycle testing per ISO 19277 11:16 – Dry and wet cyclic

Sean Younger joins Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis to discuss the differences between standards ASTM E84 and ASTM E119. The two standards are readily used in the fireproofing industry, listen as they discuss the critical factors of these two standards. 0:00 – Intro and technical difficulties 1:54 – Kidnapping the CFO 2:51 – Reintroduction to Sean Younger, Carboline Fireproofing Sales 3:21 – ASTM E84 and ASTM E119 3:56 – ASTM E84 - Standard Test Method for Surface Burning Characteristics of Building Materials https://www.astm.org/Standards/E84.htm 5:00 – ASTM E119 - Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials https://www.astm.org/search/fullsite-search.html?query=e119& 5:28 – Fire protection versus flame spread 6:30 – Flame spread index per ASTM E84 7:18 – Flame index categories per ASTM E84 7:51 – Compartmentalization of fire 9:03 – Smoke index per ASTM E84 10:38 – ASTM E84 does not give products hourly fire ratings 11:37 – ASTM E119 testing 12:26 – Differences between ASTM E

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis discuss some common standards and common misconceptions related to those standards, and how they are different from each other. 0:00 – Intro 1:40 – Standards, regulations, and policies 2:57 – FDA (Food and Drug Administration) approved linings 3:49 – USDA (United States Department of Agriculture) approved coatings 5:00 – FDA 21 CFR 175.300 – Resinous Polymers and Coatings https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=175.300 6:46 – NSF/ANSI 61 – Drinking Water Systems Components https://webstore.ansi.org/Standards/NSF/NSFANSI612017?gclid=CjwKCAjwmMX4BRAAEiwA-zM4JsQ9VlSwYXM-gTzS7uxrSMXPLD6VdO5pAaWlMpPr6xHm-4K_gpFtMRoCa_gQAvD_BwE 8:28 – Surface area to volume calculation 9:00 – Temperature constraints 9:50 – AWWA D102 - Coating Steel Water Storage Tanks https://webstore.ansi.org/standards/awwa/awwad100d102d103steelwater?gclid=CjwKCAjwmMX4BRAAEiwA-zM4JlwdPNquDMkXLLssZnBOa_mk1a_JFsS54RRbtMB_3I2k4YhDgnJ7QxoCeB4QAvD_BwE 12:00 – AWWA C210 - Liquid

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis are joined by Carboline Rail Salesman Joe Foster. They discuss all the factors associated with the selection of exterior coatings for rail cars, from benefits of the different coating technologies to factors that are important to shops and rail car owners. 0:00 Audience of one 1:13 The van 2:00 Introduction to Joe Foster, Carboline Rail Sales \ 2:51 Selecting an exterior coating for rail cars (hopper cars, tank cars, etc.) 3:04 History of coating technologies and their use in the rail car industry 3:51 – VOC restrictions high solids epoxies 4:39 – The rail car stamp 6:15 – The rail shop perspective and advantages of high solids epoxies 8:26 – Familiarity with a coating can increase throughput 10:33 – The rail car owner and coatings 10:59 – Technology matters, things to remember when comparing the price of different coating technologies 11:58 – Longevity and cycle importance of rail car coatings 13:29 - Lining up painting schedule with maintenance schedule 14:22 – The importance

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis are joined by Matt McDonald, Carboline's Director of Sales for the rail industry. The trio discusses the process of selecting a lining for a rail tank car, and problems that are associated with incorrect lining selection. 0:00 – Thirteen feet 1:55 – Intro to Matt McDonald – Director of Sales - Rail 2:08 – Matt dodges the odds 4:00 – The decision-making process for rail tank car linings 5:40 – Why do we line rail tank cars? 6:14 – Protecting the asset (rail car) from corrosion 7:07 – Product or cargo purity 7:23 – Regulatory compliance with Federal Railroad Association 9:08 – The information required to make a recommendation for a rail tank car lining 10:58 – Additional special factors for tank car recommendations 11:26 – YOU SAID HOW MANY TESTS?!?!? 13:00 – Conservative verse risk-averse 13:30 – Cost of lining failure with a rail tank car 15:32 – Wrap up Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Brian Cheshire joins Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis to discuss changes coming to the coatings industry due to NSF/ANSI 600. The trio discusses how the standard changes the water tank industry. 0:00 - Intro & Murdoch update 2:31 - Introduction to Brian Cheshire 3:32 - All the memberships 4:10 - NSF/ANSI 61 Drinking water system components - Health effects 6:05 - NSF/ANSI 600 Health Effects Evaluation and Criteria for Chemicals in Drinking Water 6:42 - Reduction of allowable solvents in coating formulation 9:20 - Solvent-based epoxies and water tanks 9:47 - 100% solids epoxy and hybrid polyurethane coatings 10:39 - Benefits of 100% solids epoxy and hybrid polyurethane coatings 11:14 - Service life of coatings 12:04 - Development of 100% solids epoxy for beneficial application characteristics 13:39 - How the new NSF standard changes the coatings industry 15:03 - Wrap up Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Paul Atzemis and Jack Walker discuss the evolution of coatings under insulation. They explore the early practices and what is commonly performed today. 0:00 Intro 1:07 Creative topic selection 2:05 Coatings under insulation, the beginning 3:16 Coatings under insulation compared to immersion service 3:45 The effects of heat, oxygen, and moisture on the corrosion of assets under insulation 4:00 The early adoption of inorganic zinc in the 1980s for CUI 4:40 NACE study of CUI 5:42 NACE study eliminates inorganic zinc as an option for CUI due to polarity reversal 6:58 Salt effects on zinc polarity reversal 7:47 Fireproofing and its similarity to insulation 9:25 The introduction of NACE SP0198 https://store.nace.org/sp0198-2016 11:06 Wrap up Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis discuss the factors in choosing a thick-film coating system versus choosing a thin-film coating system. Abrasion, flexibility, substrates, and application equipment are all discussed. 0:00 Paul’s curveball 3:15 Coating recommendation categories 3:52 Thick film coating systems and thin-film coating systems 5:12 Substrate can determine coating system 7:09 Pitted storage tanks 7:32 High-solids coatings 8:52 Abrasion conditions effects on coating system selection 9:48 Flexibility and impact resistance 11:06 Scheduling effects on coating system selection 12:02 UV effects on coating system selection 13:44 Availability of application equipment effect on coating system selection 15:24 Wrap up Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis continue their discussion on cost considerations for coatings projects. They discuss the differences between applied cost and price per gallon. 0:00 – Murdoch and the Room 1:35 – Alexa plays the podcast 3:15 – Coverage of coatings 4:11 – Per gallon cost 5:05 – Nail polish versus acrylic paint cost 7:10 – Solids by volume effects on coverage 7:50 – Mil/feet2 per gallon 9:00 – Standard coverage considerations 10:45 – Per gallon price versus coverage cost 12:30 – Coating thickness effect on coverage cost 13: 20 – Review of coverage formula 15:05 – Surface profile effects on coverage 17:26 – Wrap up Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis continue their exploration in the costs of coatings projects. This week the duo explores immersion grade linings and the factors that affect their value. They explore everything from coal tar epoxies to 100% solids polyurethane linings. 0:00 – Intro – Murdoch and the Helicopter 1:15 – Cost of Coatings – Immersion Linings 2:30 – NACE Paper 10673 – Expected Service Life and Cost Considerations for Maintenance and New Construction Protective Coating Work – Table 1B Practical Maintenance Time for Coatings Systems for Immersion Service https://store.nace.org/expected-service-life-and-cost-considerations-for-maintenance-and-new-construction-protective-coatin-2 3:51 – Coal Tar Epoxy and High-Solids Epoxy Linings 5:00 – Think film versus thin film linings 6:20 – AWWA D210 Inside systems 8:00 – 100% solids linings (epoxies, novolacs, and polyurethanes) 9:17 – Commodity cycle effects on the service life of the lining 10:36 – Applied cost versus per gallon cost of 100% solids linings 1

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis continue their discussion about the Cost of Coatings. They explore how coating systems are designed, and how that could affect the cost. They compare systems to the standard zinc, epoxy, urethane system. Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis continue their exploration into the cost of different coating technology. This week the duo focuses on topcoats as they explore polyurethanes, siloxanes, polyureas, and more. Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis begin to discuss the cost of different coating technologies. The duo compares the cost associated with a coating technology and the expected life cycle from that technology. Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis continue their exploration into the factors that affect costs with industrial coatings projects. In this episode, Paul and Jack explore the environment classification of ISO 12944 and discuss how this standard is used relates to evaluating coating technology. Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis continue their exploration into the cost of coatings projects. They review ASTM B117 as a standard of coating evaluation as they begin to compare coating technology. Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis begin a series discussing the different factors that can influence the cost of a coatings project. The duo begins with a look at surface preparation and the factors that drive cost during this portion of a high-performance coatings project. Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis discuss slip critical connections and how coating selection affects slip critical connections. The pair also discuss the testing of coatings for this specialty service. Subscribe via iTunes, Google Play, or Spotify. Find out more at https://carboline-tech-service-podcast.pinecast.co

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis discuss a topic that they have hinted at for 125 episodes. Paul and Jack give you the why behind the coating selection process as they explore an over-arching theme of the show in depth.

Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis are joined by Carboline President Chris Tiernay to discuss Carboline and COVID 19. The trio discusses the current status of Carboline and of the things to come soon.

Joe Walker (no relation), of Elcometer, stops by the Carboline booth at SSPC Coatings + to discuss advancements in dry film thickness measurement technology with Jack Walker and Paul Atzemis. The trio discusses scanning technology gauges and factory calibrated gauges.